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All right, this is my daily update for All right, this is my daily update for All right, this is my daily update for my build and public my build and public my build and public log. I I have something cool to show you log. I I have something cool to show you log. I I have something cool to show you all today. Uh it’s something I’ve been all today. Uh it’s something I’ve been all today. Uh it’s something I’ve been playing around with. I talk about this a playing around with. I talk about this a playing around with. I talk about this a lot, the vibe coding thing with like lot, the vibe coding thing with like lot, the vibe coding thing with like wind surfer uh cursor/clad or any of the wind surfer uh cursor/clad or any of the wind surfer uh cursor/clad or any of the other models. I think it’s super other models. I think it’s super other models. I think it’s super overhyped. I think it’s just like people overhyped. I think it’s just like people overhyped. I think it’s just like people trying to sell Um can you vibe trying to sell Um can you vibe trying to sell Um can you vibe code and get some interesting results? code and get some interesting results? code and get some interesting results? Yes, but if you want something like Yes, but if you want something like Yes, but if you want something like truly production ready that has users, truly production ready that has users, truly production ready that has users, it’s going to be kind of crappy. Um, try it’s going to be kind of crappy. Um, try it’s going to be kind of crappy. Um, try it. If you don’t believe me, go try it. it. If you don’t believe me, go try it. it. If you don’t believe me, go try it. I like for sure go try it. And maybe I’m I like for sure go try it. And maybe I’m I like for sure go try it. And maybe I’m wrong. Like, please tell me if I’m wrong. Like, please tell me if I’m wrong. Like, please tell me if I’m wrong, but in my experience, you can’t wrong, but in my experience, you can’t wrong, but in my experience, you can’t just vibe code. You have to like laser just vibe code. You have to like laser just vibe code. You have to like laser lock in and focus, see every single line lock in and focus, see every single line lock in and focus, see every single line that this thing is making and do all that this thing is making and do all that this thing is making and do all these changes, you know, line by line. these changes, you know, line by line. these changes, you know, line by line. It’s not just do the thing and go, but It’s not just do the thing and go, but It’s not just do the thing and go, but this tool that I’m showing showing you this tool that I’m showing showing you this tool that I’m showing showing you right now claims to like be able to very right now claims to like be able to very right now claims to like be able to very very very very tightly like have guardrail so you can tightly like have guardrail so you can tightly like have guardrail so you can do more like do more like do more like real vibe coding, but it actually like real vibe coding, but it actually like real vibe coding, but it actually like is pretty good and works. So, uh I is pretty good and works. So, uh I is pretty good and works. So, uh I started playing with this. I don’t know. started playing with this. I don’t know. started playing with this. I don’t know. I’m very skeptical still and I’m it’s I’m very skeptical still and I’m it’s I’m very skeptical still and I’m it’s kind of it’s this tool is very clunky kind of it’s this tool is very clunky kind of it’s this tool is very clunky how you get it to work like so clunky how you get it to work like so clunky how you get it to work like so clunky but the idea is and and this makes sense but the idea is and and this makes sense but the idea is and and this makes sense if you think about if you think about if you think about it. So the idea is you make something it. So the idea is you make something it. So the idea is you make something called a PRD file and this thing is called a PRD file and this thing is called a PRD file and this thing is like an exact like an exact like an exact specification for what you have for like specification for what you have for like specification for what you have for like what you want to build. So I remember what you want to build. So I remember what you want to build. So I remember like year like many many years ago I like year like many many years ago I like year like many many years ago I know I’m going to date myself like about know I’m going to date myself like about know I’m going to date myself like about 20 years ago in the 2000s when I started 20 years ago in the 2000s when I started 20 years ago in the 2000s when I started my around the time I started my career my around the time I started my career my around the time I started my career became a thing to outsource like go to became a thing to outsource like go to became a thing to outsource like go to India like go to go somewhere really India like go to go somewhere really India like go to go somewhere really cheap and a bunch of companies tried it cheap and a bunch of companies tried it cheap and a bunch of companies tried it and pe some people became like hyper and pe some people became like hyper and pe some people became like hyper obsessed with like writing these perfect obsessed with like writing these perfect obsessed with like writing these perfect specs because they were kind of like specs because they were kind of like specs because they were kind of like code monkeys these outsourcing companies code monkeys these outsourcing companies code monkeys these outsourcing companies I’m not saying all like Indians. There’s I’m not saying all like Indians. There’s I’m not saying all like Indians. There’s plenty of good Indian engineers. But plenty of good Indian engineers. But plenty of good Indian engineers. But like these outsourcing companies in the like these outsourcing companies in the like these outsourcing companies in the 2000s, they were like coding monkeys. 2000s, they were like coding monkeys. 2000s, they were like coding monkeys. You you had to like hyper focus like You you had to like hyper focus like You you had to like hyper focus like write every single thing perfectly like write every single thing perfectly like write every single thing perfectly like like a perfect spec almost like a lawyer like a perfect spec almost like a lawyer like a perfect spec almost like a lawyer writing a spec, you know what I mean? writing a spec, you know what I mean? writing a spec, you know what I mean? Like to the letter and then they would Like to the letter and then they would Like to the letter and then they would follow it to the letter. The idea is follow it to the letter. The idea is follow it to the letter. The idea is kind of something like that for this. kind of something like that for this. kind of something like that for this. It’s pretty pretty interesting. Um so so It’s pretty pretty interesting. Um so so It’s pretty pretty interesting. Um so so basically you here’s what you do. You basically you here’s what you do. You basically you here’s what you do. You you chat with you chat with like Claude you chat with you chat with like Claude you chat with you chat with like Claude for for for example and you explain like exactly example and you explain like exactly example and you explain like exactly what you need. You make like this hyper what you need. You make like this hyper what you need. You make like this hyper hyperfocused spec where every little hyperfocused spec where every little hyperfocused spec where every little thing is like perfectly specked out and thing is like perfectly specked out and thing is like perfectly specked out and the tool what it does is first you the tool what it does is first you the tool what it does is first you explain what you want and then it reads explain what you want and then it reads explain what you want and then it reads a readme file and then the thing a readme file and then the thing a readme file and then the thing actually like actually like actually like um it doesn’t write any code. It writes um it doesn’t write any code. It writes um it doesn’t write any code. It writes the spec and it thinks about it and it the spec and it thinks about it and it the spec and it thinks about it and it goes, “Oh, well, I guess we need this. I goes, “Oh, well, I guess we need this. I goes, “Oh, well, I guess we need this. I guess we need this.” And then it outputs guess we need this.” And then it outputs guess we need this.” And then it outputs this where it’s like a very detailed this where it’s like a very detailed this where it’s like a very detailed like step by step like first do this. like step by step like first do this. like step by step like first do this. Okay, how high is the priority? What are Okay, how high is the priority? What are Okay, how high is the priority? What are the dependencies? Like okay well I mean the dependencies? Like okay well I mean the dependencies? Like okay well I mean look like uh this depends on actually look like uh this depends on actually look like uh this depends on actually finishing 4.1 set up a web websocket finishing 4.1 set up a web websocket finishing 4.1 set up a web websocket server with connection health server with connection health server with connection health monitoring. So it very monitoring. So it very monitoring. So it very like very very very tightly structures like very very very tightly structures like very very very tightly structures thing by thing that it has to do that thing by thing that it has to do that thing by thing that it has to do that has to say like I’m done and it has to say like I’m done and it has to say like I’m done and it understands all the dependencies. You understands all the dependencies. You understands all the dependencies. You know how like if you’ve used Claude and know how like if you’ve used Claude and know how like if you’ve used Claude and you’ve tried to buy code or you just use you’ve tried to buy code or you just use you’ve tried to buy code or you just use it, you’ll be like fix this it, you’ll be like fix this it, you’ll be like fix this uh one line so you know it does XYZ. uh one line so you know it does XYZ. uh one line so you know it does XYZ. It’s like sure and it will just start It’s like sure and it will just start It’s like sure and it will just start changing like a million things. changing like a million things. changing like a million things. You’re like I just wanted one thing. Um You’re like I just wanted one thing. Um You’re like I just wanted one thing. Um it gets like really trigger happy and it it gets like really trigger happy and it it gets like really trigger happy and it tries to do a lot of things at the same tries to do a lot of things at the same tries to do a lot of things at the same time. This is like a very structured way time. This is like a very structured way time. This is like a very structured way of like saying first you got to do this of like saying first you got to do this of like saying first you got to do this and uh you don’t do not do this until and uh you don’t do not do this until and uh you don’t do not do this until that thing is fully done. Do you see that thing is fully done. Do you see that thing is fully done. Do you see what I’m getting at? It forces it down what I’m getting at? It forces it down what I’m getting at? It forces it down this path. So anyways, people are people this path. So anyways, people are people this path. So anyways, people are people are saying that if you take like 30 are saying that if you take like 30 are saying that if you take like 30 minutes to create this file, talk with minutes to create this file, talk with minutes to create this file, talk with it, re have it do its research, tell it it, re have it do its research, tell it it, re have it do its research, tell it exactly what you need, uh this thing exactly what you need, uh this thing exactly what you need, uh this thing will like oneot and kind of vibe code will like oneot and kind of vibe code will like oneot and kind of vibe code like very big impressive things in like like very big impressive things in like like very big impressive things in like an hour. Like it will just sit there for an hour. Like it will just sit there for an hour. Like it will just sit there for like an hour straight and run. like an hour straight and run. like an hour straight and run. Obviously, you’re going to be paying a Obviously, you’re going to be paying a Obviously, you’re going to be paying a lot. Um that’s a lot of tokens. You’re lot. Um that’s a lot of tokens. You’re lot. Um that’s a lot of tokens. You’re going to be spending a lot of money. going to be spending a lot of money. going to be spending a lot of money. that’s probably going to be like 20 $20 that’s probably going to be like 20 $20 that’s probably going to be like 20 $20 or something like that. But people are or something like that. But people are or something like that. But people are swearing that this thing uh is kind of swearing that this thing uh is kind of swearing that this thing uh is kind of what cursor is missing. And I strongly what cursor is missing. And I strongly what cursor is missing. And I strongly strongly suspect if I was cursor, if I strongly suspect if I was cursor, if I strongly suspect if I was cursor, if I was working at cursor, I would be was working at cursor, I would be was working at cursor, I would be building this into cursor. I you know building this into cursor. I you know building this into cursor. I you know what I mean? Like this is clearly like what I mean? Like this is clearly like what I mean? Like this is clearly like if this works as advertised which I’m if this works as advertised which I’m if this works as advertised which I’m looking into now and I’m going to do a looking into now and I’m going to do a looking into now and I’m going to do a real real real intoint like live stream this weekend intoint like live stream this weekend intoint like live stream this weekend then I’ll be pretty impressed. I’ll be then I’ll be pretty impressed. I’ll be then I’ll be pretty impressed. I’ll be like holy Yeah, cursor needs to do like holy Yeah, cursor needs to do like holy Yeah, cursor needs to do this. But um very interesting stuff. So this. But um very interesting stuff. So this. But um very interesting stuff. So I’m going to leave I’m going to drop I’m going to leave I’m going to drop I’m going to leave I’m going to drop some links in in the uh description so some links in in the uh description so some links in in the uh description so you can look at this more. But I’m going you can look at this more. But I’m going you can look at this more. But I’m going to give it a try. If you’ve tried it, to give it a try. If you’ve tried it, to give it a try. If you’ve tried it, let me know. I despise what they did let me know. I despise what they did let me know. I despise what they did with Cursor. It’s so like it’s so hosed with Cursor. It’s so like it’s so hosed with Cursor. It’s so like it’s so hosed and it was so good like a few months ago and it was so good like a few months ago and it was so good like a few months ago and then and then and then uh 3.7 came out and I don’t know what uh 3.7 came out and I don’t know what uh 3.7 came out and I don’t know what they’ve done behind the scenes but is so they’ve done behind the scenes but is so they’ve done behind the scenes but is so so bad now. It pisses me off. It’s so so bad now. It pisses me off. It’s so so bad now. It pisses me off. It’s so bad. So I I don’t know. I hope this bad. So I I don’t know. I hope this bad. So I I don’t know. I hope this works because I’m getting infuriated by works because I’m getting infuriated by works because I’m getting infuriated by how bad it is. Uh, I’ve just kind of how bad it is. Uh, I’ve just kind of how bad it is. Uh, I’ve just kind of given up even even using it. So, what am given up even even using it. So, what am given up even even using it. So, what am I building? I’m I started working on a I building? I’m I started working on a I building? I’m I started working on a tool where I I can actually build agents tool where I I can actually build agents tool where I I can actually build agents for email. I built this thing where it’s for email. I built this thing where it’s for email. I built this thing where it’s called AI chat email where where my idea called AI chat email where where my idea called AI chat email where where my idea was my idea was to build a uh chat like was my idea was to build a uh chat like was my idea was to build a uh chat like kind of kind of kind of chatt virtual assistant thing. Well, chatt virtual assistant thing. Well, chatt virtual assistant thing. Well, that’s kind of what it morphed into over that’s kind of what it morphed into over that’s kind of what it morphed into over email. And instead of like Chad GPT, it email. And instead of like Chad GPT, it email. And instead of like Chad GPT, it it’s like a router like I built like a it’s like a router like I built like a it’s like a router like I built like a router where it will route your response router where it will route your response router where it will route your response to the to the best place. If you need to the to the best place. If you need to the to the best place. If you need really good real time, it’ll go to really good real time, it’ll go to really good real time, it’ll go to perplexity. If you need something really perplexity. If you need something really perplexity. If you need something really risque, it will route it to, you know, a risque, it will route it to, you know, a risque, it will route it to, you know, a model that will actually give you an model that will actually give you an model that will actually give you an answer. You can email and the thing just answer. You can email and the thing just answer. You can email and the thing just works. It It’s really cool. It actually, works. It It’s really cool. It actually, works. It It’s really cool. It actually, you know, I got it working, but no one you know, I got it working, but no one you know, I got it working, but no one seemed interested. Like, absolutely no seemed interested. Like, absolutely no seemed interested. Like, absolutely no one seemed interested. But I still think one seemed interested. But I still think one seemed interested. But I still think I think there’s a demand for a bunch of I think there’s a demand for a bunch of I think there’s a demand for a bunch of agents with email. Like maybe you just agents with email. Like maybe you just agents with email. Like maybe you just take the raw email and you send it over take the raw email and you send it over take the raw email and you send it over JSON and say like summarize this. Hey, JSON and say like summarize this. Hey, JSON and say like summarize this. Hey, extract this signature. Uh do this extract this signature. Uh do this extract this signature. Uh do this thing. I’m going to build a bunch of thing. I’m going to build a bunch of thing. I’m going to build a bunch of agents for email. And I and I also think agents for email. And I and I also think agents for email. And I and I also think there’s a huge demand for um setting up there’s a huge demand for um setting up there’s a huge demand for um setting up an email address where all like you can an email address where all like you can an email address where all like you can set a filter in all your set a filter in all your set a filter in all your emails with like a with a with a filter emails with like a with a with a filter emails with like a with a with a filter set of course. So like you know it’s set of course. So like you know it’s set of course. So like you know it’s it’s programmatic in your email client, it’s programmatic in your email client, it’s programmatic in your email client, but with a filter it forwards all of but with a filter it forwards all of but with a filter it forwards all of certain kinds of emails to an endpoint certain kinds of emails to an endpoint certain kinds of emails to an endpoint that reads it and spits it out and puts that reads it and spits it out and puts that reads it and spits it out and puts it into a workflow. that way you’re not it into a workflow. that way you’re not it into a workflow. that way you’re not having to like set up um like going and having to like set up um like going and having to like set up um like going and creating API keys for email clients and creating API keys for email clients and creating API keys for email clients and all these I think there’s a huge demand all these I think there’s a huge demand all these I think there’s a huge demand for that. So I still I’m still convinced for that. So I still I’m still convinced for that. So I still I’m still convinced I’m on to something. I just need to I’m on to something. I just need to I’m on to something. I just need to tweak things. So what I’m going to do tweak things. So what I’m going to do tweak things. So what I’m going to do first is build a tool and this is by first is build a tool and this is by first is build a tool and this is by what I’m going to do is what I’m doing what I’m going to do is what I’m doing what I’m going to do is what I’m doing now and like this the rest of this week. now and like this the rest of this week. now and like this the rest of this week. I’m going to build a tool in agents code I’m going to build a tool in agents code I’m going to build a tool in agents code my AI agent API service. You know my AI agent API service. You know my AI agent API service. You know there’ll be like a little column here there’ll be like a little column here there’ll be like a little column here tools. it’ll be free and you’ll be able tools. it’ll be free and you’ll be able tools. it’ll be free and you’ll be able to copy and paste uh like the raw email. to copy and paste uh like the raw email. to copy and paste uh like the raw email. So, if you write if if you have Gmail or So, if you write if if you have Gmail or So, if you write if if you have Gmail or Fastmail or whatever, all the email Fastmail or whatever, all the email Fastmail or whatever, all the email clients do it, you you can go to click clients do it, you you can go to click clients do it, you you can go to click on the little three dots and go like see on the little three dots and go like see on the little three dots and go like see raw or download email and it’s like a raw or download email and it’s like a raw or download email and it’s like a raw email file. Um it depends on your raw email file. Um it depends on your raw email file. Um it depends on your email client. Some of them have email client. Some of them have email client. Some of them have different formats, but uh there’s like a different formats, but uh there’s like a different formats, but uh there’s like a raw file that you can download and it’s raw file that you can download and it’s raw file that you can download and it’s basically like text. You open it in a basically like text. You open it in a basically like text. You open it in a text editor. I’m going to make a tool text editor. I’m going to make a tool text editor. I’m going to make a tool where you can import or just like copy where you can import or just like copy where you can import or just like copy and paste one of those right in it and and paste one of those right in it and and paste one of those right in it and it’ll like tell you some info about your it’ll like tell you some info about your it’ll like tell you some info about your email. Like it’ll summarize it. It’ll do email. Like it’ll summarize it. It’ll do email. Like it’ll summarize it. It’ll do some fancy stuff like that. I’m going to some fancy stuff like that. I’m going to some fancy stuff like that. I’m going to turn that into an agent. There’s going turn that into an agent. There’s going turn that into an agent. There’s going to be a free manual really clicky tool to be a free manual really clicky tool to be a free manual really clicky tool that’s going to be free. Anyone can use that’s going to be free. Anyone can use that’s going to be free. Anyone can use it. Uh but obviously there’s going to be it. Uh but obviously there’s going to be it. Uh but obviously there’s going to be like an agent where you can like an agent where you can like an agent where you can programmatically do it. You could programmatically do it. You could programmatically do it. You could forward an email to the agent. You can forward an email to the agent. You can forward an email to the agent. You can uh send it uh send it uh send it JSON. Let’s see. I am going JSON. Let’s see. I am going JSON. Let’s see. I am going to basically to basically to basically build the build the build the infrastructure and then I’m going to infrastructure and then I’m going to infrastructure and then I’m going to build this agent. I want to build this agent. I want to build this agent. I want to try task master. Um and let’s see. Like try task master. Um and let’s see. Like try task master. Um and let’s see. Like that’s my task for this weekend. I’m that’s my task for this weekend. I’m that’s my task for this weekend. I’m gonna sit down and I’m going to try this gonna sit down and I’m going to try this gonna sit down and I’m going to try this out and I’m going to try to have it end out and I’m going to try to have it end out and I’m going to try to have it end to end build this thing. So, I don’t to end build this thing. So, I don’t to end build this thing. So, I don’t know. We’ll we’ll see. We’ll see. I’m know. We’ll we’ll see. We’ll see. I’m know. We’ll we’ll see. We’ll see. I’m very skeptical, but um yeah, that’s very skeptical, but um yeah, that’s very skeptical, but um yeah, that’s that’s the update for today. Um qu what the hell? Okay, this today. Um qu what the hell? Okay, this today. Um qu what the hell? Okay, this is weird. This is new. Um questions and is weird. This is new. Um questions and is weird. This is new. Um questions and comments. Somebody said, “Good luck, comments. Somebody said, “Good luck, comments. Somebody said, “Good luck, mate.” What is these What are these mate.” What is these What are these mate.” What is these What are these buttons? This is like brand new. This buttons? This is like brand new. This buttons? This is like brand new. This was like not here two days ago or the was like not here two days ago or the was like not here two days ago or the other day. Um Oh, that’s stupid. It’s other day. Um Oh, that’s stupid. It’s other day. Um Oh, that’s stupid. It’s like a dumb AI response thing. I don’t like a dumb AI response thing. I don’t like a dumb AI response thing. I don’t know what the that is. That’s know what the that is. That’s know what the that is. That’s really weird. What happens if you click really weird. What happens if you click really weird. What happens if you click this? So stupid, man. Oh my god. It’s this? So stupid, man. Oh my god. It’s this? So stupid, man. Oh my god. It’s probably using some one of their models, probably using some one of their models, probably using some one of their models, too. It’s like so bad. On to my random too. It’s like so bad. On to my random too. It’s like so bad. On to my random story for today. So when story for today. So when story for today. So when I like got really really serious about I like got really really serious about I like got really really serious about trying to start a deep tech startup, I trying to start a deep tech startup, I trying to start a deep tech startup, I joined this special program. Um I’ve joined this special program. Um I’ve joined this special program. Um I’ve talked about it before where it’s kind talked about it before where it’s kind talked about it before where it’s kind of like a tech incubator where they uh of like a tech incubator where they uh of like a tech incubator where they uh match you with federally funded match you with federally funded match you with federally funded laboratories in the United States. Uh laboratories in the United States. Uh laboratories in the United States. Uh NASA is a big NASA is actually a NASA is a big NASA is actually a NASA is a big NASA is actually a federally funded laboratory. They do R&D federally funded laboratory. They do R&D federally funded laboratory. They do R&D for aerospace and the military. Um, most for aerospace and the military. Um, most for aerospace and the military. Um, most of what NASA does is not space, it’s of what NASA does is not space, it’s of what NASA does is not space, it’s aerrow space. That’s why it’s the aerrow space. That’s why it’s the aerrow space. That’s why it’s the national national national aeronautics and space. Uh, because most aeronautics and space. Uh, because most aeronautics and space. Uh, because most of what they do is like actually like of what they do is like actually like of what they do is like actually like figuring out and helping um to build figuring out and helping um to build figuring out and helping um to build technology for like Boeing and you know technology for like Boeing and you know technology for like Boeing and you know like I wish there was more airplane like I wish there was more airplane like I wish there was more airplane manufacturers, but that’s really what manufacturers, but that’s really what manufacturers, but that’s really what they do. That was a lab in the program. they do. That was a lab in the program. they do. That was a lab in the program. So you would get on the calls with like So you would get on the calls with like So you would get on the calls with like NASA people um Sandia National NASA people um Sandia National NASA people um Sandia National Laboratories um Los Alamos like all Laboratories um Los Alamos like all Laboratories um Los Alamos like all these labs. So I was in this program these labs. So I was in this program these labs. So I was in this program that these labs they all pull money and that these labs they all pull money and that these labs they all pull money and pay for because they create a lot of pay for because they create a lot of pay for because they create a lot of risky technology and there’s a lot of risky technology and there’s a lot of risky technology and there’s a lot of risk. It’s and and it needs to go and be risk. It’s and and it needs to go and be risk. It’s and and it needs to go and be commercialized by like entrepreneurs. Um commercialized by like entrepreneurs. Um commercialized by like entrepreneurs. Um I wanted to be one of these I wanted to be one of these I wanted to be one of these entrepreneurs. My dream is to do deep entrepreneurs. My dream is to do deep entrepreneurs. My dream is to do deep like hawk tech like deep hard tech where like hawk tech like deep hard tech where like hawk tech like deep hard tech where that’s where it’s like there’s a really that’s where it’s like there’s a really that’s where it’s like there’s a really risky new technology and if you run with risky new technology and if you run with risky new technology and if you run with it and you really develop it out you it and you really develop it out you it and you really develop it out you spend the money you spend the time like spend the money you spend the time like spend the money you spend the time like what I’m doing with agents this is my what I’m doing with agents this is my what I’m doing with agents this is my attempt at that uh you you know you the attempt at that uh you you know you the attempt at that uh you you know you the sky’s is the limit you can make some new sky’s is the limit you can make some new sky’s is the limit you can make some new tech into a real thing and change the tech into a real thing and change the tech into a real thing and change the world uh that’s how a lot of the early world uh that’s how a lot of the early world uh that’s how a lot of the early internet computing technology happened internet computing technology happened internet computing technology happened came from national labs Bell Labs, um, came from national labs Bell Labs, um, came from national labs Bell Labs, um, Xerox Park, those are R&D centers, Xerox Park, those are R&D centers, Xerox Park, those are R&D centers, private ones, but there was a lot of private ones, but there was a lot of private ones, but there was a lot of government R&D and that’s what this is. government R&D and that’s what this is. government R&D and that’s what this is. So, I joined this program and my goal So, I joined this program and my goal So, I joined this program and my goal was to try to try to find a cool was to try to try to find a cool was to try to try to find a cool technology and and do a startup. I technology and and do a startup. I technology and and do a startup. I actually did that. I tried to do a actually did that. I tried to do a actually did that. I tried to do a startup actually was involved with a startup actually was involved with a startup actually was involved with a real startup like like a real like ccore real startup like like a real like ccore real startup like like a real like ccore company. Um, we started talking to VCs company. Um, we started talking to VCs company. Um, we started talking to VCs but eventually it kind of collapsed. uh but eventually it kind of collapsed. uh but eventually it kind of collapsed. uh it didn’t happen. So, one thing that it didn’t happen. So, one thing that it didn’t happen. So, one thing that they they really drove home a lot of in they they really drove home a lot of in they they really drove home a lot of in this program was do a lot of customer this program was do a lot of customer this program was do a lot of customer discovery calls like go call people, discovery calls like go call people, discovery calls like go call people, understand the problem deeply, go talk understand the problem deeply, go talk understand the problem deeply, go talk to like a lot of people like hundreds of to like a lot of people like hundreds of to like a lot of people like hundreds of people until you like zero in on the people until you like zero in on the people until you like zero in on the exact thing, the exact problem that a exact thing, the exact problem that a exact thing, the exact problem that a lot of people in the industry have. You lot of people in the industry have. You lot of people in the industry have. You understand the problem. you understand understand the problem. you understand understand the problem. you understand that you want to build the solution and that you want to build the solution and that you want to build the solution and you’re going to like work really hard you’re going to like work really hard you’re going to like work really hard for five years. I think the reason why I for five years. I think the reason why I for five years. I think the reason why I haven’t done that with this business is haven’t done that with this business is haven’t done that with this business is like I’m in the industry and like so in like I’m in the industry and like so in like I’m in the industry and like so in this for that startup it was a biotech this for that startup it was a biotech this for that startup it was a biotech startup. I knew nothing about biotech. startup. I knew nothing about biotech. startup. I knew nothing about biotech. We wanted to make software to uh enable We wanted to make software to uh enable We wanted to make software to uh enable biotech companies to manufacture biotech companies to manufacture biotech companies to manufacture chemicals or molecules. That’s a story chemicals or molecules. That’s a story chemicals or molecules. That’s a story for another day. I didn’t know anything for another day. I didn’t know anything for another day. I didn’t know anything about it. So yeah, we had to do a lot of about it. So yeah, we had to do a lot of about it. So yeah, we had to do a lot of calls because I was like, I don’t know calls because I was like, I don’t know calls because I was like, I don’t know anything about this. I need to anything about this. I need to anything about this. I need to understand and yeah, so we called a lot understand and yeah, so we called a lot understand and yeah, so we called a lot of people. We talked to a lot of people of people. We talked to a lot of people of people. We talked to a lot of people face to face. Had a lot of conversations face to face. Had a lot of conversations face to face. Had a lot of conversations because I needed that because I was because I needed that because I was because I needed that because I was like, I don’t know. We all don’t know. like, I don’t know. We all don’t know. like, I don’t know. We all don’t know. We need to figure this out. But with We need to figure this out. But with We need to figure this out. But with this, it’s like, well, I’m an industry. this, it’s like, well, I’m an industry. this, it’s like, well, I’m an industry. Like, why do I need to ask people? Like, Like, why do I need to ask people? Like, Like, why do I need to ask people? Like, what am I going to talk to people about? what am I going to talk to people about? what am I going to talk to people about? Like, I’m messing with AI. I’m messing Like, I’m messing with AI. I’m messing Like, I’m messing with AI. I’m messing with uh with agents and doing all this with uh with agents and doing all this with uh with agents and doing all this stuff. And I think that’s probably the stuff. And I think that’s probably the stuff. And I think that’s probably the root of the problem. There’s a bit of root of the problem. There’s a bit of root of the problem. There’s a bit of like embarrassment and ego. Like why do like embarrassment and ego. Like why do like embarrassment and ego. Like why do I need to talk to people about Yeah. I need to talk to people about Yeah. I need to talk to people about Yeah. It’s like I’ll talk to people about like It’s like I’ll talk to people about like It’s like I’ll talk to people about like advanced stuff or toys and things I advanced stuff or toys and things I advanced stuff or toys and things I haven’t played with, but it’s like I haven’t played with, but it’s like I haven’t played with, but it’s like I need to I need to stop that and and need to I need to stop that and and need to I need to stop that and and really start getting serious about really start getting serious about really start getting serious about having conversations. having conversations. having conversations. Um I don’t know. That’s what I think is Um I don’t know. That’s what I think is Um I don’t know. That’s what I think is the problem here because it’s the problem here because it’s the problem here because it’s like I don’t know. It’s weird because I like I don’t know. It’s weird because I like I don’t know. It’s weird because I I just feel like I’m the expert and I I just feel like I’m the expert and I I just feel like I’m the expert and I should know these things. I should not should know these things. I should not should know these things. I should not be going. But that’s pretty pretty be going. But that’s pretty pretty be going. But that’s pretty pretty naive. naive. naive. Um this is the realization I’ve come to Um this is the realization I’ve come to Um this is the realization I’ve come to recently anyway. So I think that’s recently anyway. So I think that’s recently anyway. So I think that’s naive. I need to like just really naive. I need to like just really naive. I need to like just really start hounding people and getting people start hounding people and getting people start hounding people and getting people on the phone and like understanding on the phone and like understanding on the phone and like understanding truly deeply where the corporate world, truly deeply where the corporate world, truly deeply where the corporate world, where startups, corporate world is at where startups, corporate world is at where startups, corporate world is at with building agents. Like what’s the with building agents. Like what’s the with building agents. Like what’s the experience? What’s the pain? What’s the experience? What’s the pain? What’s the experience? What’s the pain? What’s the problems? That’s my task this next problems? That’s my task this next problems? That’s my task this next month. Anyways, I know this is a long month. Anyways, I know this is a long month. Anyways, I know this is a long one, so I’m going to wrap it up. Uh, if one, so I’m going to wrap it up. Uh, if one, so I’m going to wrap it up. Uh, if you have any thoughts, I’d love to hear you have any thoughts, I’d love to hear you have any thoughts, I’d love to hear it. it. it. Drop drop a comment. It really helps the Drop drop a comment. It really helps the Drop drop a comment. It really helps the algorithm. So, all right. See you algorithm. So, all right. See you algorithm. So, all right. See you tomorrow.